[identity profile] skysheep.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] engineering_ru

Американское Министерство Энергетики опубликовало очень наглядные картинки (со ссылками на исследования), которые показывают КПД автомобилей с бензиновым двигателем, и КПД автомобилей с электродвигателями.

У бензомобилей, лишь 12-20% энергии достигают колес.  Лишь 6-10% энергии уходит на преодоление сопротивления воздуха и трения.


У электромобилей ситуация кардинально другая. От 86% до 94% энергии достигают колес.  Конечно, это не учитывает КПД производства электроэнергии, но разница на уровне автомобиля тут в 4-5 раз.


При езде по шоссе (равномерная высокая скорость), КПД бензомобиля несколько выше. От 20-30% энергии достигают колес.

У электромобилей при езде по шоссе от 72 до 74% энергии достигает колес.





Источники:

Lohse-Busch, H., et al. 2013. Ambient Temperature (20°F, 72°F and 95°F) Impact on Fuel and Energy Consumption for Several Conventional Vehicles, Hybrid and Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles and Battery Electric Vehicle. SAE 2013-01-1462.

Lohse-Busch, H., et al. 2012. Advanced Powertrain Research Facility AVTA Nissan Leaf testing and analysis.

Thomas, J. 2014. Drive Cycle Powertrain Efficiencies and Trends Derived from EPA Vehicle Dynamometer Results. SAE 2014-01-2562.

Carlson, R., J. Wishart and K. Stutenberg, K. 2016. On-Road and Dynamometer Evaluation of Vehicle Auxiliary Loads. SAE Int. J. Fuels Lubr. 9(1):2016, doi:10.4271/2016-01-0901.

Rhodes, K., D. Kok, P. Sohoni, E. Perry, et al. 2017. Estimation of the Effects of Auxiliary Electrical Loads on Hybrid Electric Vehicle Fuel Economy. SAE Technical Paper 2017-01-1155, doi:10.4271/2017-01-1155.

Baglione, M., M. Duty and G. Pannone. 2007. Vehicle System Energy Analysis Methodology and Tool for Determining Vehicle Subsystem Energy Supply and Demand. SAE Technical Paper 2007-01-0398, 2007 SAE World Congress, Detroit, Michigan, April.

Bandivadekar, A., K. Bodek, L. Cheah, C. Evans, T. Groode, J. Heywood, E. Kasseris, M. Kromer and M. Weiss. 2008. On The Road in 2035: Reducing Transportation's Petroleum Consumption and GHG Emissions. MIT Laboratory for Energy and the Environment, Report No. LFEE 2008-05 RP, Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Baglione, M. 2007. Development of System Analysis Methodologies and Tools for Modeling and Optimizing Vehicle System Efficiency. Ph.D. Dissertation. University of Michigan.






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Date: 2018-09-17 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] garten-besitzer.livejournal.com
А каков КПД производства электроэнергии и сохранения её в аккумуляторах с учётом последующего потребления суммарно?

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Дизель где?

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В пролёте.

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А почему у электромобилей ветровое сопротивление в 3-4 раза больше?

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"Конечно, это не учитывает КПД производства электроэнергии"

так давайте не учитывать кпд производства энергии бензиновым двигателем, а считать от механической энергии, отбираемой с коленвала?

Date: 2018-09-17 06:43 pm (UTC)
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Вот, кстати, да...
ДВС сам генерирует энергию а электромобиль пользуется выработанной. То есть, электромобиль надо рассматривать в системе "электромобиль – электростанция". А там всё уже не так красиво...
Фактически электромобиль – это ТС с двигателем внешнего сгорания...

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очередная картинка незамутненных эльфов которые считают, что электричество берется из розетки...

Date: 2018-09-17 10:52 pm (UTC)
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Очередной тролль, который полагает нефть богом данной.

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Они и аккумулятор не учитывают, а он сразу сжирает 50%

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То, что на картинках отсутствует КПД производства и передачи электроэнергии - такое же лукавство, как и термин 'fuel economy', который заменил честное 'fuel consumption'.

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Date: 2018-09-17 06:46 pm (UTC)
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А если мы заряжаем аккумуляторы ночью от Солнца?

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Date: 2018-09-17 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rusec.livejournal.com
0-2% на климатконтроль это весьма оптимистично.
Кондиционер сожрёт больше.
Отопитель зимой - намного больше.
Мнится мне что циферки малость того, спотолочные.

Date: 2018-09-18 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaim2001.livejournal.com
Если авто стоит, то да. А если в движении, так надо движок охлаждать, тепла там излишек, по факту.

Date: 2018-09-17 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chudinovandrei.livejournal.com
А почему нельзя менять аккумуляторы вместо их зарядки? Как мы меняем батарейки у своего телефона.

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Date: 2018-09-17 07:09 pm (UTC)
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Маск - гений! Рептилоиды скрывают! Нефтяные лоббисты лоббируют.

Где сравнительная стоимость авто с двс и на батарейках с учётом стоимости эксплуатации?

Date: 2018-09-17 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ardalio.livejournal.com
в пределе могут и сравняться, и даже переплюнуть
если электродрочеры решат вопрос «зарядить батарею за 15 минут и чтоб хватило хотя бы на тысчонку километров»

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Date: 2018-09-17 07:23 pm (UTC)
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Интересно, что согласно посту - ДВС нужнаэнергия для преодоления сопротивления воздуха, а ЭА - нет.

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Date: 2018-09-17 07:23 pm (UTC)
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можно прикинуть и соотношение цены входящей энергии:
у нас 1 л бензина - 1,1 доллара, 1 кВт*ч - $0,06, 1 л бензина - 8,5 кВт*ч - $0,51 в ценах электросети для населения (для предприятий больше)
т.е. дополнительная нагрузка на КПД ДВС в Украине (если в $, сравнительно с электротягой) -54%.
а у вас какое соотношение в деньгах получается?

Date: 2018-09-17 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jmyshanya.livejournal.com

в россии бензин - $0.65. электричество - $0,03 на ночном тарифе в европейской части.

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From: [identity profile] shamaner.livejournal.com
еще, кстати, надо учитывать что электромобиль с аналогичным запасом хода будет процентов на 10 тяжелей.

Date: 2018-09-17 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solar-front.livejournal.com
Улучшает аэродинамику и безопасность!))

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Date: 2018-09-17 07:36 pm (UTC)
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"Конечно, это не учитывает КПД производства электроэнергии, но разница на уровне автомобиля тут в 4-5 раз." Переиначивая на анекдот: "Вы или крестик снимите или трусы наденьте". да?

Date: 2018-09-17 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soldatovdd.livejournal.com
Вы стоимость эксплуатации прикиньте. Б/у тесла в РФ сейчас стоит от 8 млн рублей, что минимум в 4 раза дороже любого седанчика. И даже если взять стоимость бензина в 50 рублей за литр, расход в 10 на сотню и пробег в 30к километров в год, то со всеми осагами-касками и ТО авто с ДВС будет обходиться в 300 тысяч в год максимум. Т.е. чтобы элементарно отбить разницу в стоимости надо будет и в хвост и в гриву жечь бензин 20 лет. Но сектантам Маска простые расчёты недоступны.

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Date: 2018-09-17 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unklemike.livejournal.com
Вот когда придумают такую батарею, чтобы резервуар, а в ём два электрода и бензин, чтобы это дело сразу энергию выдавало, без промежуточных трансформаций - я только поаплодирую. А по факту оптимального решения как не было так и нет. С бензина напрямую не выжать электричество, а электромотор почему-то не хочет работать на бензине. И в этом великая трагедия современности.

Date: 2018-09-17 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iex2.livejournal.com
Зачем бензин? Мусор же. См. Назад в будущее

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Date: 2018-09-17 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ubpskh (from livejournal.com)
Насчет производства электроэнергии.

Есть исследования, в которых рассчитывается выделение автомобилем СО2 за весь цикл его существования - от производства и до утилизации.

Так вот, при эксплуатации на среднем западе США (в регионе с самой большой долей угольных электростанций) у Теслы модель S (большой седан весом больше 2 тонн) этот показатель примерно соответствует бензиновой малолитражке. В любом другом регионе США или в Европе он ниже, чем у малолитражки.
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Date: 2018-09-17 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jr0.livejournal.com
Где исследования?

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Date: 2018-09-17 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genka8.livejournal.com
На электричестве ездить дешевле. У меня выходит раза в 2 по консервативным прикидкам. Это если заряжаться дома. Вне дома- как карта ляжет. Некоторые зарядки бесплатны, но платные выходят дороже бензина.

Date: 2018-09-17 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mfi.livejournal.com
Это пока на цену электричества акцизы не повесили. В Европе, пишут, вся социалка на бензиновых акцизах висит, там владельцам нефтевышек, НПЗ и автозаправок слезы от цены бензина достаются, менее четверти. Остальное - налоги.

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Date: 2018-09-17 08:09 pm (UTC)
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Дело в том, что наше мнение об электрокарах и о Маске лично ничего не значат. Как запретили лампочки 100 Вт, также запретят ДВС с 1 января ХХ-го года. Хотя, свет лампы накаливания 100 Вт качественнее лучших светодиодных ламп.
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Date: 2018-09-17 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glas_naroda.livejournal.com
Ну, свет ламп накаливания, конечно, лучше. Но даже уже просто хорошие лампы, без пульсаций и с CRI>90 вполне себе близки. В привычных терминах если лампа накаливания — хай-енд, то хорошая светодиодка — хай-фай. Разницу услышат (увидят) единицы, из которых 80% ее себе придумают.

Сам сильно загоняюсь по качеству света, но честно скажу, когда поставил приличные светодиодные лампы (не поверите, Икеевские, они одни из самых хороших), разницы после года эксплуатации не нашел. Цветопередача прекрасная, голова не болит, ярче сделать не хочется (при том, что они поярче, чем накаливания, ибо холоднее). В общем, сейчас буду менять спотовые галогенки на светодиоды, ибо в GU10 их научились делать весьма приличными.
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Date: 2018-09-17 08:31 pm (UTC)
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У вас подгорает.

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Date: 2018-09-17 08:35 pm (UTC)
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Пока не будут изобретены принципиально другие способы аккумуляции энергии все эти электровеники останутся не более чем забавным модными игрушками.

Date: 2018-09-17 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jr0.livejournal.com
Уже миллионы электромобилей, включая, скажем, автобусы. И тут вы из времен своего отрочества, видимо, когда перестали воспринимать реальность.

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Date: 2018-09-17 09:13 pm (UTC)
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Самый цимес сравнить полный цикл выработки и расхода энергии!
С учетом транспортировки, расходных материалов, энергоёмкости производства и пр.
А тут сравнили тёплое и зелёное.
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Я когда зимой еду на велике мимо капота - тепло.

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Date: 2018-09-17 09:21 pm (UTC)
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Непонятно почему просто взяли и проигнорировали расходы энергии на охлаждение или обогрев салона. Издевательски оставили расход энергии на вентилятор кондиционера и жопогрейку, но не включили расход энергии на сам компрессор кондиционера. Такой хоккей нам не нужен.

Date: 2018-09-17 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jr0.livejournal.com
Такая вот структура расходов энергии.

Не у вас.

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Date: 2018-09-17 09:52 pm (UTC)
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Заправка моего дизелемобиля занимает 3 минуты, запас хода на баке 1100 км,
Шах и мат батарейкам с колёсиками.

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